Detention Camps?


February 3, 2009 by esarsea


I was listening to Georgy Noory’s Coast to Coast AM radio program last night, with featured guest Jerome Corsi. Mr. Corsi spoke about H.R. 645, a bill introduced to the House of Representatives by Democratic Representative Alcee L. Hastings which calls for the creation of at least 6 “National Emergency Centers” for detaining civillians on miltary installations.

Rather than elaborate on what was discussed on this radio program, I thought it best to post a link to an article written by Jerome Corsi which appeared  February 1st on WorldNetDaily.

It is suspected that these centers may well have already been established with Black Ops money, and that this bill may simply be an method to legitimize their existence.

I find this very toubling. As discussed on the radio last night, it makes one wonder what the government knows that we don’t. It’s doubtful that this project would be taken on without an anticipated need…?

PS: While doing a Google search for an image to use with this post I came across this article on The End Times World News website from the Netherlands. The image is of a detention center in Texas, and the article contains an interesting video.

pps: Clicking on the H.R. 645 TAG immediately below the post title above will take you to a number of blog posts on the same topic. Here’s one of the more thought-provoking ones.


32 thoughts on “Detention Camps?

  1. rsr348 says:

    Hmmm….sounds like a bit of right-wing manufactured fright to me.

  2. billie789 says:

    Jerome Corsi, Stu? Really!?!?Really!?!?

    Wiki, Wiki, Wiki…

  3. Stu says:

    It may be. I don’t claim to have all the answers. I do think it’s in our best interests to keep our eyes – and our minds – open. Check out this video from youtube:

  4. Stu says:

    Wow…I did Wiki this guy. Quite a portfolio! I had never heard of him before last night, and was not familiar with his writings or activities. It’s too bad that he’s created the “Crying Wolf” syndrome. His past may prevent people from taking him seriously when/if he does get one right. He does not appear to be alone in his concerns though. I’m taking all this with a grain of salt, but it has piqued my interest.

    Check out the video in my previous comment above…

  5. Randy Spiker says:

    Makes FISA look wimpy. Where are all the Bush haters who specifically had it in for him over the survellance stuff. Lock and load brothers and sisters. (I’d put in a smiley face if we had them)

  6. Da Goddess says:

    We’ll be okay. We’ve survived every bit of legislation over the last 200+ years. I don’t think we’re in any danger with this one. There are too many things stuffed into HR 645 to be accepted wholesale. There will be numerous revisions.

  7. esarsea says:

    As a result of generating this post I’ve visited a lot of blogs and websites, and watched a lot of youtube clips. It’s as if I have stumbled across a whole new subculture or counterculture that I find absolutely fascinating. There seems to be a lot of people who are genuinely scared, fearful that we’re headed towards socialism and a police state. Comparisons to the early days of Nazi Germany and Hitler. Clips of “FEMA Trains” and stockpiles of FEMA coffins. There is a wide-spread belief that those opposing the “New World Order” and those who are “Constitutionists” are destined to be forcefully taken from their homes in the middle of the night, put on a train, hauled to a detention center and be “Re-Educated” or killed. I have a hard time understanding how people believe this stuff…but then again it did happen as recently as 60 years ago in Nazi Germany, did it not?

    I know, this isn’t Germany in the 1940’s. It couldn’t happen here under ANY circumstances, right? Right…?

    It’s diffucult to sort through all the writings and youtube clips and determine what’s fiction and fact, rumor or reality. I suspect there’s bits and pieces of abstract truth in it all, and it’s up to us to figure it out.

    Regardless of your position, I think we can all agree that there is an inherent value to a free and open press, the internet, and the ability for all these, “Watchdog” groups to speak their mind. I’ll gladly tolerate some extremist viewpoints if that’s the tradeoff for living in a free society that allows for the open exchange of information.

  8. Bill says:

    Stu, what happended in Nazi Germany happened because the general population bought into the idea that Jews were behind Germany’s economic and social problems. They had just lost WW I, were in a shambles and had two or three countries monitoring them for things like how large of a battleship they could build, etc. (No, kidding, how long, how many cannon, etc.) Lockdown mode. Hitler represented a recovery from that and a poke in the eye to those countries that sought to stifle Germany’s rebirth as a power.

    I agree with Joanie that we’ll be ok. The Tin Foil Hat crowd has been with us forever and they will be with us forever and, thankfully, they form a tiny portion of our population.

    As for info on the internet, you have to be extra careful using the info on web sites that claim special knowledge about the End of Earth As We Know It or any cover-ups and conspiracies that would involve more than 2 bureaucrats. Three would fuck it up!

    We couldn’t get a truckload of bottled water into New Orleans after Katrina…why should we be able to round-up the population and haul them off? That old scare tactic has been used by gun rights people, forever, to build support for unlimited gun rights (“What will you do when they come for your guns?”)

  9. Stu says:

    Well, speaking of Katrina and “What will you do when they come for your guns?” it sounds like one just puts their hands in the air, and does as one’s told…

    But anyway I think this kind of dialogue and exchange is healthy.

    And I know it’s comparing apples to oranges and not germane to this topic, but who thought Kent State would or could happen before it did?

  10. Randy Spiker says:

    Bill, you really think that the one party rule we have right now in Wash d.c. doesn’t have it in their sights(no pun intended) to slowly dis-arm law abiders? It’s coming and sooner than most folks are aware of…..

    From the Worldview Times, comments on H.R. 45;

    This bill would require a license for handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently possessed. The applicant must be thumbprinted and sign a certification that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family. The applicant must also make available ALL of his psychiatric records, pass an exam, and pay a fee of up to $25. The license may be renewed after five years and may be revoked. Private sales would be outlawed, and reports to the attorney general of all transactions would be required, even when, as the bill allows, the AG determines that a state licensing system is sufficiently draconian to substitute for the federal license. With virtually no exceptions, ALL firearms transactions (involving semiautos, handguns, long guns, etc.) would be subject to a Brady check. In addition, the bill would make it unlawful in nearly all cases to keep any loaded firearm for self-defense. A variety of “crimes by omission” (such as failure to report certain things) would be created. Criminal penalties of up to ten years and almost unlimited regulatory and inspection authority would be established.

    I really take offense at the requirement that no firearm shall be kept in a place for the purpose of defending one’s Family. What’s up with that?????

    You can view more info on this bill here;

  11. Da Goddess says:

    Personally, my worst fear is that we have no balance in government at this time. To have either party controlling both Congress and the White House is never a good idea. But we will endure. We’re good at that.

    As for the guns, the Constitution is the Constitution and there is no reason to change any of the amendments. And there are far too many (in either party) who will not allow this to happen. If it does, for some unfathomable reason, you better believe the Supremes will be involved lickety-split.

  12. Randy Spiker says:

    Yeah, the Supremes as we now know them. 3 or 4 years of this crap and …….. well, who knows!

  13. Bill says:

    You know, House bills come and House bills go. If I were a legislator, I could sponsor a House Bill that says all unicorns have to fart rainbows by 2012 or we’ll eat them. Then, a far-right web site would start a dialogue about how farting unicorns will mean the end of the world and how jack-booted thugs (remember that NRA campaign? They apologized) will come for your rainbows if you don’t have an M1-A1 Abrams tank in your living room…by the way, I’m selling M1-A1 Abrams tanks and you better buy one before a periscope pops up out of your toilet and does a looky-see on your privates.

    This discussion seems to be coming down predictable party lines.

    If there’s one party in control of Washington, D.C., how come we can’t get economic recovery passed as effortlessly as we got war funding for Iraq?

    It’s the boogey-man “librul media” and black helicoptors and alien abductions that piss me off. It’s grand theater, and creates nothing of value except for those who manufactuer this crap and put a bow on it.

    Besides, I’m guessing you didn’t have those “one party” concerns the past 8 years when there were no Democrats appointed to positions of any real power in Bush’s Administration. In fact, if you weren’t a Republican, that was grounds for firing you in the Justice Department whether you were a good prosecutor or not.

    And you see what we got. Everyone still have jobs? College loans for your kids? Health insurance? The world hating our guts? Wall Street?

    Here’s the thing about Republican operatives like Jerome Corsi. They make money selling fear and cable news needs content because they are on 24/7 and are very happy to have guys like Corsi and Coulter (guys…get it?) on the air presenting palpable nonsense to fill time.

    And when their dire predictions and ridiculous accusations don’t pan out, they’ve already moved on to the next scary, money making scheme or storyline.

    No one ever calls them out for being liars, opportunists and capitalist traitors.

    I’ll throw you a bone. This oughta keep you guys busy for the rest of 2009.


  14. esarsea says:

    (in my best Dan Akroyd voice) “…Jane, you ignorant slut!”

    I love this! Blogging is more fun than a person should be allowed to have!

  15. Bill says:

    Uh, Stu, Jane didn’t post anything on this piece. Why the name-calling, dude?

  16. Bill says:

    I’m totally teasing, brother.

  17. Randy Spiker says:

    Wow Bill, what a wordsmith you are. I can tell you’re still watching Olberman and believing that MSNBC is the real “fair and balanced” network. How does one get to be so hateful and negative?

    BTW; the so called Stimulus you referred to is losing more and more favor everyday as the people find out what is really in store for them. 200 million for Honeybee research, over 4 billion for ACORN. yeah, those are some needy programs that are sure to inspire job growth. The ACORN stuff is sure to inspire Dims getting re-elected, that’s all. Much of the funding doesn’t even get instituted untill 2010……. the same year as mid-term elections. Fancy that!

  18. Jane says:

    yeah that was kinda random Stu….
    Look the country still belongs to us. My best suggestion is form/join congressional watchgroups. Rarely will you have one that you agree with all the priorities of but the main theme here is to make OUR representatives be accountable to US and not the big corps/lobbyists. open info etc……

  19. Randy Spiker says:

    The Justice Department firings was a bunch of smoke being blown up Bush’s Ass by the same folks that didn’t make a peep when Bill Clinton fired ALL OF THEM back in 1993. Funny how this gotcha game works.

  20. Jane says:

    “No one ever calls them out for being liars, opportunists and capitalist traitors.”
    Al did!

  21. Randy Spiker says:

    Stu, what happended in Nazi Germany happened because the general population bought into the idea that Jews were behind Germany’s economic and social problems.[/quote]
    Hmmmm, sounds familiar…….. you mean like the way everything evil is George Bush’s fault along with those greedy Republicans. I don’t think I need to inform you of the hateful BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome) that’s been aired over the past eight years and I surely don’t need to remind you of the saying that “History has a habit of repeating itself”. I also don’t think I need to remind you of the FACT that BHO is having a little problem staffing his cabinet. Why?, could it be that there’s just as much greed in Democrat circles? Say it ain’t so, Billie!

  22. Jane says:

    I agree Randy, no need to love the Democrats just because the Bush administration sucked so bad!

  23. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane, did it REALLY suck so bad? We had over 6 years of continuous economic growth coming on the heels of the Clinton recession as well as a slight hick-up called 9-11. It’s only been the last 8 months that the economy has gone south and that can be laid squarely at the feet of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd et all as well as the Community Reinvestment Act laid forth by Jimmy Carter and put on steroids by Bill Clinton. This forced Banks and lending institutions to loan money to the likes of a Barrista working at Starbucks so they could go purchase a home with 100% financing for 300,000 dollars. Even when warned by the Bush administration as early as 2003 that there was impending economic doom on the horizon, again echoed by John McCain in 2005, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd and a whole gang of Democrats defended the likes of Frank Raines and Fannie and Freddie. They were seen accusing anyone who tried to alert regulators of being Racists. You know, the tactic of “if you can’t beat em on ideas, vilify and demonize them”.

    These hearings as well as allot of other informative stuff on the evolution of this debacle is readily available all over the internet. Just google community reinvestment act.

    One last thing…… I know many have complained for 8 years about how the Bush administration was going about keeping this country safe. Well, bottom line is that he DID keep another attack from happening and my phone wasn’t even “tapped”. I also don’t want you to think that I’m totally “pro-Bush”. There were many things I didn’t like about his presidency most notably, the Tarp bailout crap as well as an attempt to give amnesty to illegals.

  24. Bill says:

    Jesus, Randy- I can’t keep up with the distortions, dude. Where do I start?

    No, not “everything” is George Bush’s fault. He was in over his head from the day the Supreme Court appointed him president. He inherited a lot of things. And he squandered most of his inheritance on partisan bullshit that divided this country and the world.

    I remember being so disgusted with his predecessor that I thought even Bush would be a welcome change (there’s that word again). I was cheering him on on 9/12. Then the goddam wheels starting coming off and continued coming off until 3 months ago.

    I could give you a list of Republicans who voted to de-regulate the financial industry, too, but, what the Hell. It’s lost on a Republican.

    Obama is having trouble staffing some of his appointments, the ones Republicans aren’t high-fiving him for, because the people charged with vetting his candidates fucked up. Here’s the difference, Randy. Barack came out and took responsibility. The buck stopped with him. When did you ever hear that Connecticut hillbilly take repsonsibility for ANYTHING in 8 years? Even in his farewell, when listing the shit that flew out of control under his watch, he didnt say “I screwed that up.” Instead, he reworked it to,”I’m disappointed.”

    Forget Clinton, Randy. You talk about the BDS and raise the spector of Bubba. Forget Bush, too. I am. We need to move forward and put an economic stimulus plan into place.

    Not when Republicans have waved the bill over their heads dramamtically and yelling,”There’s $200 million in Bee Research in here!” but now!
    Those same idiots never waved an act over their heads when Bush asked for billions in war funding..,.for the wrong war.

    The so-called “pork” in this package amounts to a tiny portion of the overall package. Republicans, who have bent over and blown Bush for 8 years, are grandstanding on fractions instead of whole numbers and we’re all getting hosed for it.

    I’m in no mood to listen to a Republican Revisionist/Apologist try to re-present the Bush years as something positive, Randy. I’m laying off 6 good people this afternoon because your guy and his people were total, arrogant fuck-ups.

  25. Randy Spiker says:

    Sorry about you having to lay people off Bill, that’s NEVER pleasant. I’ve been there brother.

    I’ll leave you alone today. Not because there’s no argument…… quite the contrary, you’ve left me with soooo much delicious fodder for disection that I don’t have the time right now(on a 15 minute break) and I want to respect your bad day. Hang in there Buddy!

  26. Randy Spiker says:

    Here is a fascinating Video. I’m not going to comment at this time other than to say that after watching this, it seems apparent that our two parties are aptly named when they stick to their principles and don’t go wandering off the Reservation.

  27. Bill says:

    Ok, well, I’m done and I have to say that they all took it pretty well, like hearing that a long-lost relative died. It will sink in this week-end.

    I was almost late to the lay-off meeting because I had taken another shop employee to an AA meeting nearby at noon. He needs to quit drinking, but didn’t want to go alone. I, however, inadvertantly received a 7-year pin just going there. I haven’t been to an AA meeting since 2001. Those damn meetings!

    Randy, let’s not trade political jabs, unless you just can’t put it away. By the time my guy won the election, I wanted to move to another country because of the vitriol between Americans. It’s wrong. When I walked through the meadows at Gettysburg 20 years ago, I had a little map showing where various skirmishes occurred during the Civil War. When I neared Cemetary Hill, I had reached the bottom of the tourist map where statistics live.

    When I saw that in 3 days, 8,000 Americans had killed each other over politics, I wanted to cry.

  28. Randy Spiker says:

    Yeah Bill, that was the thing I hated doing the most when I owned/managed my business. No two ways around it…… it just flat out SUCKS. The difference for me however was I never laid people off due to work slowdowns, it was usually having to let someone go due to work performance issues, non-the less, still difficult. I just can’t imagine having to let a good employee go due to a work slowdown. You’re right, it’s gonna sink in soon enough. I’m with ya Bro.

    As far as the political stuff goes, I’m not so sure that’s gonna happen unless you just flat out don’t want to tangle. After all, what is a political Blog all about anyway. Just because we have opinions that differ doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have a little conversation and get some of this stuff out on the table. I enjoy hearing views from the other side. It’s really where I get allot of my conservative artillery from. The Daily Kos is fertile ground for plowing IMHO.

    This is your blogsite brother Bill. I’m just a guest so if you say “no mas”, I’ll respect that.

  29. Randy Spiker says:

    I just want to throw in this quote from Benjamin Franklin. This smart Man knew allot about human nature and it being what it is, is why I get nervous when the Government starts reaching too far into our personal lives for the sake of protecting us from ourselves.

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

  30. Bill says:

    (In my best Gipper voice) “Well, there you go again.”

    I’ve heard that quote several times over the past few years, but not from Republicans.

    I’m curious: How does that quote square with illegal wiretapping, rendition, no habeus corpus on suspected terrorists, etc?

    And I’m not a Republican, but I’m not really a Democrat, either. There are plenty of loopy-loops on both sides at the extreme fringes. After years of disappointment from both sides, I’m an Independent.

    This blog is for discusing anything, really. We talk music, politics, personal, life stuff and nothing’s off-limits.

    I just don’t want to waste our time together arguing the same talking points that just got argued to death in a 2 year election cycle.

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