I.O.U.S.A.

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March 30, 2009 by esarsea

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With nearly 50 comments and counting, I almost hate to distract our readers from the great discussions we’re having in the Organizing For America post. Be that as it may, I believe we need to look at the issue of our national debt as set forth in the movie, I.O.U.S.A. My personal thanks to Randy Spiker for posting a link to this most important film. 

Sound Money Matters calls I.O.U.S.A. “The Scariest Movie of the Year.” The Movie Blog says, “For those who call this country home, it’s a must watch and a wake up call for action.” Metromix Chicago warns, “I.O.U.S.A. couldn’t be more timely; if the catastrophic storm it warns of hasn’t struck yet, Americans are already well into a rainy day.” Time Out London writes, “Obama, watch and weep. Or at least take notes.”

I.O.U.S.A. is a non-partisan documentary that explains our national debt (and it’s implications) in such a way that an average American can understand it. I.O.U.S.A. outlines how we got here and why our current spending patterns are unsustainable. I.O.U.S.A makes it very clear that in the not-too-distant-future, the United States will be bankrupt – and what that means.

I.O.U.S.A. is available on DVD or in paperback from Amazon and others. There is a 30 minute condensed version that can be viewed online here.

I have read several comments about how I.O.U.S.A. does a great job presenting this information, but is short on solutions. That’s not what the film is about. On the contrary, had I.O.U.S.A. focused on how we should approach the problem it would run the risk of polarizing the audience and/or lessened the impact of it’s message. For example, imagine a newspaper reporting on the impact of raw sewage being dumped into a local waterway; how it got started and what the inevitable long-term effects would be if not corrected. I maintain it’s not the newspaper’s job to suggest how to clean it up. It’s the newspaper’s job to report the news. I.O.U.S.A is no different. It’s up to us to figure out what to do.

I know we’ve touched on this topic within the comments on the previous post, but as I mentioned I felt it worthy of it’s own thread. I should also mention that although I.O.U.S.A. paints a dark picture, the reality of the situation actually a shade or two darker than presented. I.O.U.S.A was released in Septermber 2008, before the current economic crisis came to light, and the nearly one trillion dollar bailout and stimulus package.

Perhaps Roger Ebert said it best in his review of I.O.U.S.A.. Written in the perspective of an imaginary letter to his grandchildren, Ebert closes with this: “So here’s the bottom line, kids. The United States is probably going to go broke during your lifetimes. Actually, it’s already broke, but getting deeper into debt allows it to keep running on thin air, like the Road Runner. My advice? Learn Chinese. Start savings accounts. Don’t buy what you can’t afford. Any politician who tries to win votes by promising to cut taxes is digging our country’s grave.”

30 thoughts on “I.O.U.S.A.

  1. Jane says:

    welp i haven’t yet watched even the short version BUT if the movie doesn’t procvide possible solutions or at least encoruage civic involvement, then it seems to me its another scare tactic that unfortunately can be used or abused to cause more porblems than we’d hope it solves. Its seesm to be the status quo round the USA, scare the hell out of them then take advantage of them even more.
    i’ll check it out though.

  2. Jane says:

    OK even though its just been a couple minutes between my above and this post, i had written the above a while earlier and must not have hit enter.
    So after watching this and reading up on Pete Peterson, and thinking about Stu’s comments I gotta say I don’t think the purpose of this movie was intended for education only. Or at least IMO there is more that would be helpful to add if so. It really does seem as though this was intended as a scare tactic as it’s main goal. And the fact that it was produced before the recent stock crash actually supports that theory. Yeah I am sayign theory I never try to claim i know it all but some patterns are blatantly obvious.
    Thank goodness we never privatized social security…….
    anyway fiscal resposibility is a needed thing.
    I don’t think this movie is about solving the real problem or looking at the bigger picture. It sure seems to be a scare tactic to lead the sheeple away from the whole of the truth which will lead them toward the hope of a solution.
    try again guys

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/16/4566

  3. Jane says:

    oh and by the way – this is the kind of sheeeeet you shoul be afraid of…..IMO

  4. esarsea says:

    Not sure that I see anything here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_G._Peterson that gives me cause for concern regarding Pete Peterson’s motivations.

    In the interim, you might find this useful? http://www.chinese-tools.com/learn/chinese :-)

  5. Jane says:

    You might find the link I provided more useful to see where i am concerned. Now i know amongst some fiscal conservatives, the things I am concerned with are not the same but yeah I read the wiki as well….
    I’d be happy to cut and paste from the commondreams article if you are scared to go there
    but thanks for chinese thing.
    my sister took a few years of classes of chinese language, she is also a great teacher. when I find the time i think i will ask for her help.
    i think learnign more about China and her people would be a better first step for me.

  6. Randy Spiker says:

    Don’t forget kids, this movie is especially unkind to the Bushes so if it’s sole purpose is to scare you, it ain’t comin from the typical sources y’all love to hate so much. What I’m trying to say is maybe you should look at this more objectively and yes, it’s intent IS to scare the livin crap out of you. Jane, just because there are no solutions doesn’t mean you should discard it. As I touched on in the other thread, this problem runs so deep and has been festering for so long, most Americans wouldn’t be able to handle the real solutions anyway.

  7. Jane says:

    The reason to discard it is because the people who put it out are more a part of the problem than anything. lying cheating and stealing whilst alerting us of the problem they helped create byt telling us how to fix it which will make the rest of us poorer and them richer, and have more control
    although the timing is sort of ironic, from my perspective as it appears it really was created to gather support for another attempt at social security privitization.
    sure there are many things we are spending on. they’s like to eliminate the ones that have positive end results as opposed to the ones that are negative. all the while influencing legislation to their very rich benefit

    its un American where i come from…..

  8. Randy Spiker says:

    OK Jane, so you dismissed the video because it doesn’t offer solutions as you put it. Are you sure that you’re not following in lockstep the propaganda machine YOU subscribe to and using the “solution” thing as an excuse? I looked at that link you provided and it seems to follow a general theme of disqualifying by way of Alinsky tactic listed in rule #12. Seems like anytime y’all want to diminish someone you link them to something or someone evil as in this case Richard Nixon.

    Well alllllrighty then……. so you have in your mind successfully diminished this video….. But WAIT, there’s more! Ever hear of a journalist named David Broder? He’s not your typical right wing nutjob, no….. he is mainstream reporter for the left leaning Washington Post. It just so happens he wrote an article yesterday on this very topic. I won’t go into detail (eyelids sagging) so I’ll just let the article speak for itself. One of these days you folks that just can’t admit that there is a serious storm coming are going to have to eventually wake up. It’s coming and there really is no stopping it.

    for full text, open link;
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/27/AR2009032702507.html

    “Hiding a Mountain Of Debt

    By David S. Broder
    Sunday, March 29, 2009; Page A15

    With a bit of bookkeeping legerdemain borrowed from the Bush administration, the Democratic Congress is about to perform a cover-up on the most serious threat to America’s economic future.

    That threat is not the severe recession, tough as that is for the families and businesses struggling to make ends meet. In time, the recession will end, and last week’s stock market performance hinted that we may not have to wait years for the recovery to begin.

    The real threat is the monstrous debt resulting from the slump in revenue and the staggering sums being committed by Washington to rescuing embattled banks and homeowners — and the absence of any serious strategy for paying it all back.

    The Congressional Budget Office sketched the dimensions of the problem on March 20, and Congress reacted with shock. The CBO said that over the next 10 years, current policies would add a staggering $9.3 trillion to the national debt — one-third more than President Obama had estimated by using much more optimistic assumptions about future economic growth.

    As far as the eye could see, the CBO said, the debt would continue to grow by about $1 trillion a year because of a structural deficit between the spending rate, averaging 23 percent of gross domestic product, and federal revenue at 19 percent.

    The ever-growing national debt will require ever-larger annual interest payments, with much of that money going overseas to China, Japan and other countries that have been buying our bonds.

    Reacting to this scary prospect, the House and Senate budget committees took the paring knife to some of Obama’s spending proposals and tax cuts last week. But many of the proposed savings look more like bookkeeping gimmicks than realistic cutbacks. The budget resolutions assume, for example, that no more money will be needed this year to bail out foundering businesses or pump up consumer demand, even though estimates of those needs start at $250 billion and go up by giant steps.

    Republicans on the budget committees offered cuts that were larger and, in some but not all instances, more realistic.

    But the main device the Democratic budgeteers employed was simply to shrink the budget “window” from 10 years to five. Instantly, $5 trillion in debt disappeared from view, along with the worry that long after the recession is past, the structural deficit would continue to blight the future of young working families.

    The Democrats did not invent this gimmick. They borrowed it from George W. Bush, who turned to it as soon as his inherited budget surpluses withered with the tax cuts and recession of 2001-02. But Obama had promised a more honest budget and said that this meant looking at the long-term consequences of today’s tax and spending decisions.”

  9. Jane says:

    Randy just because I dismissed the video doesn’t mean I dismiss the problem. I just am extremely cautious to follow these sorts of people. Oh and thanks for the reminder about that Alinksy guy, I definitely want to learn more about him. I don’t know yet what tactic number 12 is but if it is pointing out a lying liar for being a lying liar I don’t see the problem in that, when it comes to the USA’s future IMO.
    Anyway how about we first do a few simple things that will increase revenue while stopping or slowing down the ability for the speculators to rip off our country even more. things like a sales tax on derivative trading. Consumers pay out the whooha on sales tax, yet trading derivatives have no tax. a very small sales tax on the trillions traded would help this situation.Right there you’re gonna also at least slow the speculation. etc.etc.
    Workers get the living crap taxed out of them yet unearned income is taxed much less/ Lets bring them closer together, is that not fair?
    Anyway point is that just because i question the motives of those who put out this movie and book doesn’t mean i don’t think there is a problem. It means its one more thing to be scared of – lies to the public or half truths if you prefer.
    IMO

  10. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane, with all due respect, I just don’t think you understand the enormous scope of this problem. Putting on a tax here or a tax there are miniscule little band-aids at best and do nothing to truly go at the problem. We’re talking many TRILLIONS of dollars and that ain’t no “chicken feed”. This isn’t just an Obama/spendy Senate problem though they as I said before have opened the race car’s nirtrous valve for increased acceleration. No, this problem has been brewing for a long time and IS coming to light now because we’ve opened that Nitrous valve.

    You seem to pride yourself in the ability to see beyond the problem and instead desire fixes. What would YOU do? And please leave the tax element alone as once again, it would be like putting the smallest bandaid available on let’s say, a large knife wound. No, this problem will not go away until we are willing as a people to make serious cuts across the board and I’m afraid that we just don’t have the will. I can already see the nightly news ginning up the people at the first sign someone is being oppressed by a Govt. trying to slim down.

  11. Stu says:

    I don’t think we can exclude the possibility of increased taxes as part of the overall plan if we are going to get ourselves out of this mess. It’s not going to be an easy fix – and it’s unavoidable that we will endure some forms of inconvenience (if not hardships) in order to turn this thing around. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I do believe the time has come to pay the piper…while we still can.

  12. Jane says:

    Of course I realize there is more that needs to be done. What I am trying to say here is first, lets try to eliminate the ease in which the speculation is killing us here. Let’s take a look at many thing instead of being vague about huge cuts to things that might just make as many flipping problems or worse than is evident by some proposals.
    I don’t claim to have the answers and I am really just beginning to learn abotu this. One thing I have learned is that many who are in charge can’t be trusted. Indeed we have been lied to etc. We have been fooling ourselves in many ways, there are many many who are completely ignorant as compared to some of us who are not completely informed.
    so back to the original topic again, this movie offers no solutions or even directions that I could decipher. Some of the people behind the organizations who put out this movie, have questionable IMO motives.
    Do either of you guys think that eliminating social security and medicare is going to solve our problems. I don’t. Things need to be done better but we also need to have clarity on how things are being done. Let’s fix the dark markets speculation is but just one suggestion. Encouraging our fellow citizens to educate themselves from sources of truth is another.
    Pay the piper, thats quite interesting in this blog thread as well.
    I’ll pay my creditors, hell its been the only life I’ve known for a while. In this scenario though I am not going to pay the piper so to speak. The piper here IOUSA would like that a whole lot. Follow me, to the point of no return and I’ll dictate how you can get out, while I line my pocket or keep you down in this pit of no return that I led you into thats much much deeper than the one you were already in……aggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  13. Jane says:

    Oh and I wasn’t rying to say ‘littel’ tax adjusments would solve the problem. But let’s face it it does all add up. My simple suggestions were less of a way togenerate the full amount needed as they were ways to elimante further screwing while adding back in.
    And, since you ask what i would do, may I aks the same of you?
    I truly am trying to learn and while not open to any suggestion, I am open to hearing/learning about them. There’s a few that have consequences worse than the intended solution, as mentioned in the above post. IMO

  14. Stu says:

    The movie I watched made no mention of eliminating or privatizing social security, although reading the thread you shared I understand where the concern comes from. It hard to deny the impact the babyboomers willl have on those 2 programs however. We need to get back on top of things before that demograhpic moves through the system else it will bury us when it happens.

  15. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane wrote;

    “Anyway how about we first do a few simple things that will increase revenue while stopping or slowing down the ability for the speculators to rip off our country even more. things like a sales tax on derivative trading.”

    Randy responds with;

    Jane! Why is it that liberals as a knee jerk reaction always go for more taxes to solve problems…… EVERY TIME!!!!

    When are you guys gonna finally realize that the well of capital is FINITE!!!!

    Your way of thinking is similar to a grossly overweight patient. Another bag or two of potato chips is your way to fix his hunger when a serious weight reduction program would leave him more healthy and let him live longer. Unfortunately, all you want to do is feed the already bloated, overweight Government so you don’t have to face the constituents pissin and moaning and incesssnt whining. Time to wise-up!

  16. Jane says:

    I’m talking more in terms of changing what we tax…not adding taxes. so you tax what we don’t like, say potato chips, the consequence is gonna end up less tax income because less people will want chips that bad, but there will be less need for the revenue because less people will be overweight and a burden on the medicare system….
    Lessen the tax on the worker and raise it on the speculator. they’ll stop speculating or at least be able to pay into the system. tax what we burn (consume) not what we earn…a cvery very small tax one tenth of one percent say would bring in billions on the trillions of deriviate trading.
    and there is plenty to cut as well….
    anyway yeah I didn’t say the movie called for the elimination of social secuirty or midecare but the folks behind the organizations who produced have , so i merely suggest that be considered before lining up for their solution when they suggest one, but i wouldn’t wait for it until you are sufficiently scared. thats when it is easier to get people to go along with things that are not truly in the people’s best interest…
    anyway sure we need to cut the waste, but the dilemma, as it alwasy has been is to see beyond to make the best estimate at which cuts will not cause a worse problem down the road….

  17. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane wrote;

    “but i wouldn’t wait for it until you are sufficiently scared. thats when it is easier to get people to go along with things that are not truly in the people’s best interest…”

    Randy replies;

    Perfect! This is the EXACT sentiments the Dims, from Obama to Rahm Emanuel to Hillary Clinton et al have stated lately…. and I’m paraphrasing here…… “never let a crisis go to waste. It’s the ONLY time you can get things passed that you might not otherwise be able to.” And you’re right, much of the “crap” they’ve pushed through at lightning speed hasn’t had the “people’s best interest” as a consideration.

    Good job in reminding me so I could point that out Jane! ;-)

  18. bill says:

    “And you’re right, much of the “crap” they’ve pushed through at lightning speed hasn’t had the “people’s best interest” as a consideration.”

    Gosh, I hate to bring up “old news,” but didn’t Dick Cheney use the image of mushroom clouds at America’s intersections to sell the attack on Iraq?

    If the “Dims,” as you put it, have pushed anything through at lightning speed, who’s interest are they working for? Big oil? Pharmaceutical corporations? Wall Street? Halliburton? Blackwater?

    Or are you talking about lifting Bush’s ban on emryonic stem cell research or closing Guantanamo or retracting our military from Iraq and actually sending them after Osama Bin Laden?

    Which thing has been pushed through at lightning speed that wasn’t in the best interest of “the people?”

  19. Jane says:

    Hey Randy now that we agree things are messed up, what do you propose we do about it?
    I was just reading about the Pecora commission
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecora_Commission
    Seems like a good thing to do again IMO…..to learn what really happened and then develop ways to prevent it from happening again.

  20. Randy Spiker says:

    “Gosh, I hate to bring up “old news,” but didn’t Dick Cheney use the image of mushroom clouds at America’s intersections to sell the attack on Iraq?”

    Man-oh-man have you got a metaphoric imagination.

    If the “Dims,” as you put it, have pushed anything through at lightning speed, who’s interest are they working for? Big oil? Pharmaceutical corporations? Wall Street? Halliburton? Blackwater?

    Ya left one out there Bill…… Big Guns. Just looking at the laundry list of vilified businesses you and the linguini spined liberals have demonized and established a sort of class warfare with over the last decade or two, it’s amazing that any of them want to continue doing business here. That may change and I’m sure you’ll be on the dock waving bye-bye to all the jobs they’ll take with them. Pathetic!
    And as far as “who’s interest are they working for?” How about EVERY liberal special interest group who presented a shopping list. One perfect case in point that hasn’t happened yet, but it will is the infamous “card check”. Now there’s one that sure is a shining example of democracy in action. I’d believe it if it were coming from somewhere like Cuba or Venezuela but not here…… at least up to now. “Red Obama” as YOU labeled him a month or so ago is ready and willing to sign….. if they can only get passed a few of those evil blue dog Democrats.

    “Or are you talking about lifting Bush’s ban on emryonic stem cell research or closing Guantanamo or retracting our military from Iraq and actually sending them after Osama Bin Laden?”

    Wow, Bill……. going after Bin Laden eh? Doesn’t that require the military…… the military you and your political Ilk seem to despise so much……. like every time there’s a close election and your friends try to disqualify their ballots. What a fucking joke!

    “Which thing has been pushed through at lightning speed that wasn’t in the best interest of “the people?”

    I’m not gonna bore you with specifics other than to say that in the spirit of this thread and in an attempt to steer it back home, ALL OF IT! The bailouts, stimulous, omnibus bill and the largest increase in discretionary spending in peacetime, EVER! The best interest of the people is NOT going to be realized in a short term “feel good” fix. No, the people would be better served by a realization that this kind of spending is going to take ALL of us down a road of ruin. Go ahead Bill, give the crying masses their candy now and don’t fix their teeth when they start falling out. Oh, that’s compassion for sure.

  21. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane, I’ll deal with you later when I return.

    Peace!

  22. Randy Spiker says:

    “I’ll tell you what, Randy. I’m done with this thread. Go and be very afraid all you want. I’ve chosen a different path. We have elected a good, caring and honest man to lead us out of the shithole we found oursleves in.”

    Well…… there you go again! Throw out some generalities then pack up your marbles and go home. THAT’S what I call a “drive-by” poster! Don’t wanna stick around for the consequences eh?!!!
    “A good, caring honest man eh? Let’s start with the “honest” part. You know he made a lot of promises that swayed many people into the “change we can believe in” stupor. let’s see how Mr Honest has done.

    Broken promise #1) Sunlight Before Signing

    What he said:

    “Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.” (BarackObama.com campaign Web site)

    What he did:

    Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter bill, the SCHIP/cigarette tax hike, and the stimulus bill all with far less than a five-day waiting period that he promised–and continues to promise–on his campaign Web site. The ink wasn’t even allowed to dry and we’re gonna pay for that blunder for sure. AIG bonuses ring a bell?

    Broken promise #2) Lobbyist Revolving Door

    What he said:

    “No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.” (BarackObama.com campaign Web site)

    What he did:

    Obama appointed Goldman Sachs lobbyists Mark Patterson chief of staff at the Treasury Department, where he directly oversees his former employer, a recipient of $10 billion of taxpayer funds from the TARP. Obama also appointed Raytheon lobbyist William Lynn to be an undersecretary of Defense. So far there are 21 former lobbyists working in his administration with surely more to come.

    Broken promise #3) No Tax Hikes on the Poor (this one really pisses me off)

    What he said first:
    “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.” (September 12, 2008, Dover, N.H.)

    What he did first:

    By signing H.R. 2 into law, Obama happily signed onto the idea that smokers should pay for a $35 billion expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Plan (SCHIP). Cigarette taxes are going up 61 cents a pack starting April 1. Obama signed this bill knowing that the MAJORITY of smokers in the United States are WORKING POOR, and ONE IN FOUR LIVES BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTY LINE..

    What he said next: (and this one is a doozy, lyin sack of shit!)

    “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.” (February 24th, 2009, Address to a Joint Session of Congress)

    What he did next:

    Ignored the already-hiked cigarette tax at the time of the statement and then this restated promise was broken JUST TWO DAYS LATER, when the Obama’s budget proposal was released. His new budget raises 45 percent of its revenue from energy taxes that will be paid by everyone who fills a gas tank, pays an electric bill, or buys anything that was grown, shipped, or manufactured.

    Did you get that Bill?….. Taxes raised on people making less than 250k a year! UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!

    I could continue but I think you get the point?

    Your man, Mr Honest, caring and “good” has broken more promises in 8 weeks than Bush broke in 8 years.

    The other day when Michelle had the kids over to help plant a garden she was captured on audio saying in a cheerleading cutesy kind of way, “let’s hear it for vegetables……. YEAH!!!!!”
    Damn right they’re all for vegetables…. the human kind. They wouldn’t be in the White House right now if the “vegetables” hadn’t been suckered into the lie and persuaded to vote for them.

  23. Randy Spiker says:

    Jane wrote;

    “Hey Randy now that we agree things are messed up, what do you propose we do about it?”

    Jane, I’ve already pretty much given you my response to this….. the fix is going to take sacrifices far greater than Americans can or are willing to deal with. You say tax some otherwise overlooked arenas for income. I say that you can’t tax and expect continued prosperity. If you take ALL the income from those making over the magical 250k a year and I do mean ALL of it (confiscate their entire salary), it still wouldn’t total a Trillion dollars. So I don’t have the answer I’m sure you’re looking for.

    I must say however that I’m impressed with your idealistic innocence. You remind me of my Daughter who’s away at Grad school. When she first left she was going to change the world and right all that is wrong. She even spent her first four years in very liberal San Francisco at USF. After experiencing first hand what was really going on she quickly realized that the teachers, staff and students were not at all fair and even-handed in the way they dealt with the few dissenting conservatives on campus. It really pissed her off and she being one to side with the underdog, stood up for them and their right to speak. After some time, she realized just how far the libs would go in their attempts to squelch by way of a VERY unfair practice of vilifying for the purpose of demonizing and diminishing their credibility. (sound like someone you know?) She is now a conservative/liberal…… I know, sounds impossible but she still hangs on to some of those youthful idealistic beliefs.

    If I had to guess I would say that you are anywhere between 23 and 28 years old, maybe touching 30. Am I right? Anyway, keep trying to be positive. Lord knows in this day and age that is a mighty feat and you should be proud that you haven’t succumbed to “the dark side” like Bill and I.

  24. Jane says:

    I just turned 40 Randy but parts of me act like I am 20 and most of me feels like I’m a freakin hundred.
    anyhoo, still where do we go from here? keep complaining?
    no thanks but I am open to looking at all things objectively.
    I don’t think one thing will solve it or pay for it, but just as all the many things together took away or directed the money away, all the things we can bring back or put back will add up. You utilize the ones that won’t cause further loss. The loss measured in money and things that will cost money.

  25. bill says:

    Nice.

    The Bush Administration left us with the largest deficit, ever, ($3 trillion)and you’re spouting right-wing web site talking points to attack the new President. Did you notice, Randy, that when Barack went to the G-20 summit and was introduced around, the world’s stock market rose this morning on the news that they all like him? It’s good for the leader of the free world to be able to articulate his thoughts in a manner that doesn’t make you want to wince and crawl under the couch.

    Jane has morphed into your naive daughter and I’m a drive-by poster because we don’t see eye-to-eye on your standrard Republican complaints with NO ANSWERS!

    Isn’t that Rovian Trick #47? To diminish your opponent’s point by personally marginalizing the individual?

    I’m a linguini-spined liberal? That all you got, Randy? Cheap shit insults?And as far as the military goes, I played along, myself, and my kid is joining the Marines later this year, with my encouragement. My niece is in Naval Flight School landing F-18’s on aircraft carriers and my father and 6 uncles all had very proud service records in WWII and Korea. Two first cousins graduated from Annapolis. Not at the bottom of their classes, either. I’m as proud of my family’s military history as I can be.

    You, sir, are sounding a bit hysterical. Obviously, you don’t like Barack Obama. The only thing I can say is it’s a free country and you can vote for Sarah Palin in 2012. That ought to fix things.

  26. Randy Spiker says:

    “Nice.

    The Bush Administration left us with the largest deficit, ever, ($3 trillion)and you’re spouting right-wing web site talking points to attack the new President. Did you notice, Randy, that when Barack went to the G-20 summit and was introduced around, the world’s stock market rose this morning on the news that they all like him? It’s good for the leader of the free world to be able to articulate his thoughts in a manner that doesn’t make you want to wince and crawl under the couch.”

    First off Bill, those AREN’t “right-wing web site talking points to attack the new President”, no, THEY ARE FACTS that you seem to want to ignore…….. look again! Your “Mr Honest” is a lyin sack of shit and I ONLY scratched the surface. You want more?

    For the lack of time I’m gonna close with, for all you complain about how the “Right” is sooo biased, unable to think for ourselves, taking our daily marching orders from Rush, Sean or Glenn, YOU are the epitome of a VERY close minded, blind person that ONLY sees things your way and everyone else is just either stupid or brainwashed. Sick, sick sick!!!

    I’ll be back and spend a little more time responding to the rest of the filth and deceptions you posted. Until then, have a nice day!

  27. bill says:

    I posted “filth and deceptions?”

    You are out of line, Mr. Spiker. I don’t haev any problem throwing the ball around with you from time to time, but I won’t put up with your personal attacks.

  28. Randy Spiker says:

    “I posted “filth and deceptions?”

    You are out of line, Mr. Spiker. I don’t haev any problem throwing the ball around with you from time to time, but I won’t put up with your personal attacks.”

    Bill, you are absolutely 100% correct….. that was out of line. I’m sorry! I made those comments in haste as I was on a short break and didn’t have or take the time to re-read before hitting the button. I will try not to make that mistake again.

    Once agin, I’m sorry!

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