More Right Wing Conspiracy?


November 28, 2010 by torqdog

Or is there more to this story? I don’t quite know what to make of this so I’ll just post a snipet and a link to the full article and let y’all pitch in here.







By Sara Jerome – 11/26/10 04:25 PM ET

The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak.

ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags.

The sites are replaced with a note from the government: “This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations.”

For instance,,, and have each been seized.

One of the site owners told TorrentFreak that his site was shut down without any notice or warning.

The effort comes as Congress considers the Combatting Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA). Critics, including Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) say it is too heavy-handed. He has vowed to put a formal hold on the bill.

Be sure to read the comments at the end of the article. Whack-job worryworts or perveyors of truth?

9 thoughts on “More Right Wing Conspiracy?

  1. Stu says:

    I don’t have a problem with it. In fact I think the headline is rather sensationalist. The government is shutting down websites engaged in illegal activity, but the headline reads, “Homeland Security Seizes Domain Names.”

    It’s no different than the feds coming in and locking the doors of a local store that is selling knock-offs as the real thing (which is fraud) or shutting down a music store that’s selling bootleg CD’s. The only difference is that the feds are shutting down online stores or websites.

    I read several of the comments that (perhaps correctly) state we have bigger and more important issues at hand, but that doesn’t make the seizures improper IMO.

    • torqdog says:

      Agreed, but isn’t there a process that we go by in this country, namely a complaint is filed, investigations follow leading up to possibly an arrest or closing down of said business?

      This just seems, as Ron Wyden pointed out in the article, “too heavy handed” as it seems to completely circumvent due-process..

  2. Stu says:

    I really don’t know enough about it to comment, but I’d wager the feds performed at least the requisite investigations required by law before shutting the websites down. Just like the local police might shut down a neighborhood store after making and documenting a couple purchases of fake goods, pending further investigations of whether or not the owners and managers of the store knew they were selling knock-offs, etc.

  3. Bill says:

    Oh, there’s a “process” in this country, all right. Like most things about the real world, it’s in direct conflict with everything we claim we believe about freedom and liberty in our founding documents and our imaginations. Lots of cross-over there, too.

    My god, Utah Liquor Control agents walk in off the street and shut down bars and clubs all the time with no prior warning or process because someone used fake ID, fooling the doorman with legitimate looking ID. Bar gets shut down, people are out of work, the business loses lots of dough if they don’t go out of business altogether.

    The “process” comes when the bar owners show up in front of a panel of bureaucrats and plead with them to keep their liquor licenses to remain in business. Their crime? Failing to pick off fake ID’s that looks totally real.

    When I was a part-owner in a 450-seat rock and roll club 30 years ago, on big show nights, the local vice squad would come in just before opening act, order us to turn on the house lights, turn off the background music and they would go table to table with one of those primitive, folded computer print-outs checking people’s ID’s against their arrest warrant list. Used to take people out in cuffs on a regular basis. Think that hurt our business? Think it had a chilling effect on people coming in for shows?

    The last time it happened, I walked over the the pay phone (we didn’t have cell phones then!) and called our business attorney at home and got him on the phone with the Vice Capt. and waited for a minute or two while our guy threatened the Capt. with a civil rights and interuption of business-law suit against the city. That was fairly effective. They were trying to put us out of business.

  4. Bill says:

    You know how a lot of dead alcoholics and druggies like to say,”That which doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger!” That’s been my line on living in Utah. It’s so toxic on some levels, due to the outrageously backward and conservative effects of the LDS Church’s dominance on the state, that people stay away in droves, making more room for me. It keeps out gambling, red light districts, retail alcohol sales (you can’t walk into a Kroger or Albertson’s and buy a gallon of cheap gin, ever, you have to go to state package stores, 10 am to 10 pm, except Sundays) and, really, the locals have always had a deeply suspicious, but curious respect for people like me. We probably represent everything they’ve ever wanted to try, but can’t or won’t or have to hide.

    • Stu says:

      Washington also has state-run liquor stores. Only beer and wine sales in grocery stores and such. It was an initiative on the ballot to get the state out of the booze business a few weeks ago and (narrowly) the intitiative did not succeed. We have something like a 55% mark-up on liquor here. However, we’re one of the last few states not to have a state income tax, so they’ve got to get it somewhere.

      • torqdog says:

        We’ve got both…….. no state income tax and no govt. run liquor stores. Also, being that this is Nevada, we have no curfew on alcohol sales.

        It sure is wierd crossing the state line out there by Wendover. It’s like you’ve entered some sort of time warp. Beautiful country that Utah is!

  5. Bill says:

    You got it, my friend. We usd to say,”Welcome to Utah. Please set your watch back 40 years!”

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