Rescuing citizenship and civic virtue


July 3, 2013 by esarsea

“…But Thomas Jefferson said it well: “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice… These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”

Rescuing citizenship and civic virtue.

17 thoughts on “Rescuing citizenship and civic virtue

  1. torqdog says:

    I’m afraid it’s too late Stu. There has been a purposeful and determined effort going on for generations to dumb down the populace with the intent of weaning them from the ideals that made this country strong. (do they even teach the constitution in school anymore?) Personal responsibility is one of those ideals that has been ridiculed and folks that have had the audacity to speak those words are demeaned as being ancient and out of touch with the current reality trends. Dependence on govt. programs is the result and has been the plan all along. Make enough of the populace dependent on the government and you have created a guaranteed voting block too stupid to realize that their continued allegiance to those that promote their “supposed” welfare are the same ones that will in essence keep them from ever advancing……a government plantation of sorts. Ben Franklin was, as it turns out, quite the prophet of doom when he said;

    “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

    I personally think we are WAAAAAY beyond the tipping point and is one of the main reasons I have ceased “giving a shit”. To me it’s pointless, especially when the supposed “watchdogs of Democracy” are only watching to make sure their favored politicians maintain power and any opposition or stories that shine negatively on those politicians are either completely ignored or ridiculed ad-nauseum. Everything is upside down now and it seems that failure is promoted in the press so long as there’s a good soundbite blaming the other side or it’s a favored celeb who has their “mind right”. A perfect recent example is on one side you have a Paula Deen who loses an empire for something she said some 30 odd years ago. And then there’s Alec Baldwin who bashes Gays in another one of his patented anger management promotional rants and will probably lose nothing. Wassupy wid dat?!!! Media/social bias anyone?!!!

    I just hope that the fuck-ups are held at bay long enough for Viv and I to selfishly travel the countryside before hanging it up in some old folks community way down in Florida somewhere. LOL

    • torqdog says:

      Just to follow up on the Deen vs. Baldwin stuff, I saw this interesting story and am quoting the bit that pretty much sums it up as to where we stand in 2013.

      Some have pointed out that while Baldwin’s homophobic slurs were similar to TV chef Paula Deen’s racial slurs (she admitted to using the N-word 30 years ago), the fallout is not. The 66-year-old chef was dropped by all of her major business partners, including Target, Walmart, the Food Network and Sears, while so far Baldwin seems to be getting off scot free.
      “Companies know the media won’t beat them up for keeping Baldwin on board, despite his violent threat and homophobic comments,” explained Dan Gainor, vice president of business and culture at Media Research Center. “Why? Because he’s liberal and the same rules don’t apply.”

    • torqdog says:

      I asked the question in my first post “do they even teach the constitution in school anymore?” Well it seems this batch of kids missed the constitution and a whole lot more.

  2. Bill says:

    All right, you two. I’ll be right back, I’ve gotta go kill myself, things are so bad.

    Another point of view:

    I’ve also read a media analysis of why Paula Deen was dealt with so harshly and Alec Baldwin is still Cap One’s spokesperson, for now. She’s been on a much shorter leash, it seems.

    She comes from a culture where she’s not even aware of her problem as it was so ingrained. She might slip tomorrow and say that same kind of thing. She recently tried to introduce one of her black assistants on a TV interview by calling him out to step away from the dark curtains “so people could see your face, honey” or tried to put together a catered affair and requested an all black service staff dressed in tuxedos because she had seen it somewhere before and thought it was good. The pushback from her handlers and assistants is the only reason she didn’t pursue it.

    She apparently believes that blacks are little more than child-like lawn jockeys.

    Baldwin, on the other hand, is an actor who has a show biz reputation for being a bad boy and he often toys with that image as often as he opens his mouth too wide.

    But there’s a dividing line between Baldwin’s well-known temper management problems and an ingrained cultural liability that can’t be educated out of Paula Deen.

    I know that explanation won’t satisfy those who believe this is endemic of the end of the Republic as we know it, but public opinion has never been fair and face it, we are very harsh on those from the South who appear to still carry attitudes and beliefs over from the Old South, the one that started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans over the enslavement of human beings for profit.

    And, along that line and on a lighter side, courtesy of a satellite radio comic last week, can you imagine the response to Albert Einstein standing at a podium announcing E = MC squared if he had a deep, Southern drawl?

    “Ah, ah say. . .energy…equals mass and that there is multiplied by the speed of light…why, you can get energy outta that thang!”

    “Aw, shut up and sit down, you hillbilly!”

  3. esarsea says:

    “Jackson claims he’s going to investigate Deen’s past use of a racial slur. Did anyone investigate his past use of racial slurs when he used the slur “hymie” and “hymietown” respectively when referring to Jews and New York City? Or when Jackson accused Barack Obama of “talking down to black folks” by lecturing them on moral issues?

    If Jackson, Sharpton and the NAACP hadn’t jumped on the Trayvon Martin case and made it into a racial matter, nobody would have heard of it. His death would have gone unnoticed, just like the more than 500 black youths that were murdered in Chicago in black-on-black violence last year.

    The attention on the Zimmerman trial is not about justice for Trayvon; it’s about intimidation and dividing the American people along race.”

    Read the entire article here:

    • torqdog says:

      Let’s not forget Stu how NBC purposely altered and edited the 9-11 tapes to make Zimmerman appear racist. When you hear the “whole” conversation, it’s clear that he was simply responding to a question asked by the 9-11 dispatcher. Another low point in the NBC quasi-journalism bag of bullshit and it could easily be claimed that there was an intent to incite racial tensions during a period when tensions were already running high.

      If you haven’t seen or heard this disgusting example of bull-shit journalism, here-tis;

    • torqdog says:

      …..and yeah, that’ll be the day when race merchants Al and Jesse actually start showing how they “really” care about blacks getting senselessly murdered when they start going into these neighborhoods and rolling up their sleeves in an attempt to slow or stop the violence. Unfortunately, it seems their only concern is continuing an effort to foment race hatred and division. That’s where the cameras AND money reside.


      • Bill says:

        I think, or at least I hope that Jackson and Sharpton are wearing thin and almost done. In the 60’s, when they couldn’t; sit at a lunch counter or use the bathroom in a Woolworth’s, we needed in-your-face resistance to fight the hateful racism that was used in this country to hold blacks back into a second or third-class place where they would never be able to raise themselves up.

        But now, it’s silly to see those two doing a protest over a janitor being laid off, etc.

  4. Jane says:

    Malkin on citizen virtue? are you flippin serious?

    • torqdog says:

      So Jane, I gather that you see the author and that determines whether or not it’s readable? That’s some real “openemindedness” right there…….sheeesh!

      • Jane says:

        I read it. Then I proceeded to read other writings of hers before I made that comment. utterly ridiculous and severely misguided to say the least

        • esarsea says:

          There are a lot of media and political types who hold philosophies and/or points of view that I do not align myself with, but it’s not out of the realm of possibilites for them to get it right on occasion. If a convicted rapist, during an interview from his prison cell, states that ‘No means no’ – is he wrong?

        • torqdog says:

          “utterly ridiculous and severely misguided to say the least”

          OK, care to elaborate? Please point out specifically what irks you about this essay.

          • Jane says:

            Ok first of all, she wants to send a message yet no0t exactly clear on that. If we take a leap we can suppose that her intent was to mean that we all should be so viruos that we should take our civic duties seriously. And we can further suppose she is trying to suggest that illegal immigrants should aspire to be perfect citizens. She doesn’t exactly propose a way to do, but there are many ways that folks these days like to vaguely blame immigration for many of our problems. She talks about the problem, tries to tie it to illegal immigrants and basically does what she accusing those of having little virtue of doing.
            Where is her solution/ Is it to build a fence? She doesn’t say so but what the fudge is she saying anyway? It just seems like another duopolist flame intended to keep otherwise virtuous citizens at each other’s throats. This of course is the distraction the duopoly needs to keep attacking our sovereignty. Oh wait, she thinks that is important. I wonder how she feels about the ‘free’ trade agreements which are very much undermining our sovereignty. Oh wait, oh yeah they have caused a great deal of the flow of immigrants from the South. If she really actually cared about citizenship and virtues maybe she would do better to get down to the root cause.

  5. Jane says:

    oh by the way STOP THE TPP!

  6. Jane says:

    and to be frank, its hard to read any of her essays without being constantly reminded of other gems that share her page. Look here, it seems she thinks the Mexican government is just big meanies and don’t know how to play fair. for shits sake I wish I could go around thinking that all of these issues created themselves. I mean what the fudge does she think about humanity? The war on drugs and NAFTA which created these issues. oh that would have NOTHING to do with American civic virtue……………geeza whiz. She should shut the hell up or learn herself up on this important civic duty thing she spews about.

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